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Volume 2 p38

September 29th, 2018, 10:16 pm

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Reply Kittenwishstar, September 29th, 2018, 10:28 pm

They are pokemon, but they eat other pokemon....

Reply CanisArcani, October 1st, 2018, 1:16 am

@Kittenwishstar: well duh.. its canon that the meat, eggs, and such are pokemon. In main series games you have moomoo milk (miltank milk), in the anime people still eat meat (where exactly do you think THAT comes from in a world where there are only pokemon amd humans?), and in mystery dungeon its alluded to in the form of team tasty and such.. oh yeah, and then there's the pokedex entries. Seriously, why's this so hard to wrap your mind around? Animals eat other animals to survive all the time, and its not like they are eating members of their own species.. one pokemon eating another of a different species is not canabalism.

Reply Guest, October 2nd, 2018, 7:13 pm

@CanisArcani: I think there are non-pokemon fish in Cerulean City Gym in the anime

Reply MercenaryX, October 4th, 2018, 12:02 am

@Guest: And in the enemy they have roosters as well as other things out there that show that there are non pokemon animals. For instance the deafly have secret Cher's in a couple of the movies that show up that are not pokemon if I remember correctly and there are fossilized remains of non pokemon animals that show up so those could be the main sources of meat.

Reply CanisArcani, October 4th, 2018, 8:59 am

@MercenaryX: only in the early anime, back when they were still doing their major world building. Yet when you get to gen 3 and beyond all signs of these "other animals" dissapear. Why? Because they had decided by then that there would be no other animals in that world but pokemon and humans.

Yes its true that in the first season and even all the way into johto there were signs of other animals. However, they did a soft lore reboot by hoen and basically pretend that that all that before ( in regards to the other animals) didnt hapen. So im sorry, no matter how you look at it they are eating real pokemon, not common animals.

Besides, real animals wouldnt stand a chance in that environment, pokemon are much too strong, fast, and are a lot smarter in general than the typical animal. Frankly if they DID exist in that world the pre historic pokemon would have wiped them from the face of the planet looooong before humans came along. Wich does beg the question where they came from though... that being said, even the established lore for the creation of the pokemon worlds now leave no room for normal animals, for Arceus only created the world... and pokemon to inhabit it. Theres no mention of "Normal animals" anywhere.

Even when we see kanto now, all traces of non pokemon animals, other than humans, are gone.why? Again, because they had a soft lore reboot and decided that normal animals do not exist in their world.

So in conclusion, im sorry but whether you like it or not, pokemon eat other pokemon and humams eat pokemon as well. THAT is established lore until they decide otherwise.

Reply ILeninVelikyNamPutOzaril, October 1st, 2018, 9:30 am

@Kittenwishstar: its a different species so it's fine.

Reply gman (Guest), October 2nd, 2018, 1:39 pm

@Kittenwishstar: the pokemon in the real pokemon world does it as well

Reply TerrytheTeryx, September 29th, 2018, 10:35 pm

Well, that's not creepy at all.

Reply Rocatex, September 29th, 2018, 10:38 pm

I was going to comment FRESH MEAT sarcastically
but then I saw the next panel and got dissapointed

Reply PJSam, September 29th, 2018, 11:10 pm

They will eat well tonight.

Reply Guest95 (Guest), September 30th, 2018, 12:53 am

So Pokemon eat Wild Pokemon...That's gross...

Reply CanisArcani, October 1st, 2018, 1:19 am

@Guest95: why's that gross exactly? Is it any different than say,a lion eating a wildabeast? No, no its not. Also, think about this my squeamish friend: humans in the anime and the games eat meat... in a world where the only animals are all pokemon.

Reply Guest95 (Guest), October 1st, 2018, 1:25 am

@CanisArcani: It's just not something you see ever in the games or the anime or the manga...Sure we know humans have to eat and all...But seeing Pokemon eating each other kinda makes its too disturbing to see...

Reply CanisArcani, October 1st, 2018, 1:34 am

@Guest95: the anime is not innocent of that, nor is the manga. In both there have been instances where pokemon have eaten "human food", ie burgers, a slice of meat, etc. What exactly did you think that was made of XD. And you cant say "seeing it" in reguards to this because you are not seeing them do anything but dragging their kill back to their village. :)

Reply Guest95 (Guest), October 1st, 2018, 2:42 am

@CanisArcani: Fair enough. I still find this disturbing...

Reply AndreTheLugia, September 30th, 2018, 12:58 am

Cannibalism. Or is it?

Reply NikuComics, September 30th, 2018, 1:05 am

@AndreTheLugia: technically not since cannabalism is eating another member of their species. Pokemon is a general term but this was different kinds of pokemon. Its just like our world where carnivores eat herbivores except this is in a pokemon universe.

Reply DarkFlameOSecrets, September 30th, 2018, 2:01 am

@NikuComics: That's actually a good point

Reply DarkFlameOSecrets, September 30th, 2018, 2:00 am

Delicious

Man, That's one big bouffalant

Reply cat mastermv, September 30th, 2018, 4:12 am

I like buffalo, but I pretty sure that's cannibalism

Reply Charvi, September 30th, 2018, 6:34 am

Remember kids. It's not cannibalism, unless its in the same evolution line as you.

Reply TerrytheTeryx, September 30th, 2018, 7:36 am

Yeah, I guess technically it's the equivalent of the food chain.

Reply Experiment04LLZ, September 30th, 2018, 9:04 am

I don't get why everyone on about eating pokemon why else would scyther have those blades for hands not to mention all those Pokedex entries that suggest that.

Reply Sparrow726, September 30th, 2018, 10:05 am

Since some people here seem to think that the whole eating other pokemon thing is weird, I would kinda like to bring up a point (this will be kinda long, and I give credit to HurricaneMuffins on PMD Amino for bringing it up)

A lot of pokemon are based off of real animals, and a some of those animals need meat to survive. So, wild pokemon would be most likely to be killed for food, because unlike more civilized pokemon, they aren't very civilized, living out in the wild and attacking other pokemon without much of a thought. This brings me to my next point; is regular society used to pokemon killing to eat? It is possible that the pokemon here would be considered bad pokemon for killing to eat. Other pokemon have probably adapted over the years so that meat is no longer a needed food source. So even if a pokemon is perfectly nice, if they eat meat others could think of them as murderers.

Also on the whole cannibalism thing- if it's not the same pokemon as them, it's probably fine. Besides, Bouffalant would be herbivore, so other Bouffalant wouldn't be eating it. I figure they mainly hunt herbivores due to their (probably) bigger population size. And that way other pokemon wouldn't be have to eat their own kind.

Also, as Experiment04LLZ said, it's in their pokedex entries. Plenty of pokemon kill to eat. Obviously the PMD universe is different, but that doesn't mean it doesn't take into affect in some way.

Reply Phoenix (Guest), September 30th, 2018, 10:25 am

Hold on I've got something @Sparrow726: You forgot to add THE MORE YOU KNOW☆

Reply Sparrow726, September 30th, 2018, 11:08 am

@Phoenix : oof

Reply cccviper653, September 30th, 2018, 6:44 pm

@Sparrow726: @Experiment04LLZ: @IcyLucario: Just because it happens doesn't mean it needs to be shown. UGH. I'm so sick of seeing Pokemon gore lately. Can't have any nice comics or stories anymore. Pokemon can live perfectly fine off berries and shit. I did like the old man, but fuck, not even him now. All I can hope for now is more Leon x Vagus fluff.

FUCK! Sadists, masochists, gore lovers and fans of killing. Ruin everything!

Reply Sparrow726, September 30th, 2018, 7:21 pm

@cccviper653: (Alright, I'm not entirely sure if your being sarcastic, but from what I can tell, your not. If you are, take nothing after this seriously)

Here's the thing though- just like you said, it happens. People die. There are going to be bad situations. Some comics have to have blood in order to show how dire a situation is. Not all comics want to be ignorant of what the real world is like. Sure, it's a pokemon comic. But people need to think about the fact that it's not all sunshine and rainbows. This story is wants to feel more like real life, where bad things happen. So really, if you don't like it, don't read it. People in real life eat animals. Pokemon may as well eat meat as well. Also, we're not "gore-lovers" or "fans of killing." Personally, I'd love it if people didn't kill other people, or animals, for the sake of it. But it's not how the world works. People kill. Unfortunately there isn't too much we can do about it. The most we can do is show people that these things happen, and hope that each generation isn't raised with more ignorance of the real world than the last. Happily ever after doesn't normally happen, and when it does, it tends to be a hard journey to it.

Reply cccviper653, September 30th, 2018, 8:58 pm

@Sparrow726: Not kidding. This whole "not sunshine and rainbows" crap is the same old saying over and over again. Fuck the real world. It's impossible to save even if everyone magically became a softie like me. I'm done trying. When the shit from irl seeps into some of my fav things, like this comic which I've followed forever, I almost just wanna fucking kill myself and be done with it all. I'm ok with the bad guys getting rekt like on the ship. Or even that poor swellow for plot drama, even though it was pretty unnecessary at that point. But this. This is just on a whole 'nother level. If the Pokedex is followed, that means people can get away with showing an alolan vulpix being eaten by a weavile, or an umbreon holding something dead by its neck. etc etc etc. It also gives more fuel for those who ARE gore lovers and such. You know there are whole sites and sections of sites dedicated to gore and such, including sub sets of Pokemon gore. You can't even imagine how sick some people are. Total monsters that supposedly love what's being tortured for their amusement. I'm fucking surrounded by it. Another web comic on this site has a big community on discord, that community has a second server dedicated to an eevo only rp server, meaning, all the innocent mons that get killed for an rp plot are eevos, the villains who either do or don't die are eevos, etc. They're all great friends so I stayed there over a year to support them and their story telling but I just left it today. I can't take anymore unnecessary blood lust and death. Like, look at the Bouffalent, why is there blood alllllll over it? What'd they do? Beat it up and down the forest until it died from internal hemoraging instead of a simple poke with a pointed weapon? It also makes it double bad when I see the other work artists like haychel do that's so cute and awesome and such, but then later find out they also do stuff like this. It's honestly heartbreaking that all my favorite artists aren't just pure so even while browsing through their personal library, I have to tread lightly. It sucks!

Reply Well You're Intolerent. (Guest), September 30th, 2018, 10:17 pm

@cccviper653: Jeez, you are certainly butthurt.
Seriously though, if you wanna enjoy anything, you gotta be willing to take in things that you don't necessarily like or agree with.
If you don't, well, you'll just end up being a sour bigot complaining about how you every time you start to enjoy something, the creator of said thing just goes and fucks it all up, acting like you have any say in the matter.

Reply Guardian_of_Stars, October 1st, 2018, 12:08 am

@cccviper653: In all honesty, Pokemon itself has never been "clean" for a better term. They addressed it many times in the anime, and in games that both people and pokemon eat other pokemon, pokemon can die of things like hypothermia as shown in one of the latest movies to come out, they can die of illnesses and even old age... It's not like you couldn't have expected something like this to come up eventually.

I mean you don't think Garchomp and Sharpedo eat berries to survive do you? That's just irrational thinking, they're carnivorous creatures they could never survive solely off berries, that isn't how the world works x'DD

Sometimes to enjoy something you have to take it with a grain of salt, there will always be things you hate or disagree with that happen in someone else's work but it's their work... It's not yours, it's theirs so they can do whatever they want with it. You'll never enjoy anything with a childish mindset like your own because almost every story I've ever read, game I've ever played or movie I've ever watched to date has featured violence on some scale or another... It's a basic storytelling mechanic and it's an important one to have around. Without drama or violence, there's nothing to make a character interesting or relatable, nothing that will make you feel anything for or about them, and connections is something every story HAS to have. Drama and violence always bring out the part of a character that you would never see if those things didn't exist in the story, it might be a trauma, it might be a life-changing decision or something that shapes and shifts their personality... or even something like on this page that simply shows you their way of life.

Reply cccviper653, October 1st, 2018, 3:19 pm

@Guardian_of_Stars: There it is with "childish views" again. I'm 23. I'm allowed to be soft and want something from children's entertainment to be soft as well. There are plenty of ways to make stories without some kind of trauma and other bs. Characters should be likable without something needing to bring out what's likable, otherwise they're just, not likable. Also, water Pokemon can go on land. There doesn't need to be bad, to enjoy the good things. Good things are good so how can you not enjoy them? Saying there needs to be bad stuff or else it'll be boring and pointless is completely selfish. If a perfect world has to be boring to be perfect, then so be it. Pokemon have never been eaten in the anime, and the Pokedex has been written by the 10 year olds using them.

Reply Guardian_of_Stars, October 1st, 2018, 3:53 pm

@cccviper653: That magikarp was almost eaten that one time, they even had recipies for it as James pointed out how they could cook it while they were stranded at sea.

And what does your age matter here? I've known 50 year olds who are still childish in their ways of thinking and acting. You can be soft hearted regardless of age, I still am but I've also grown to accept that these things happen and it's out of our control. Whining and throwing a huge fit about it isn't going to change what happened or keep it from happening again, and at your age you should already be able to understand that not everything will always be the way you want it to be. You can't enjoy much in the world with a closed off mind like you have, you need to be able to have an open mind and accept what others do or how they do it... You don't have to like it, but you can do better than throw a tantrum like a child telling them how their story is suddenly garbage because they used death and blood and eating another animal.

Hell I'm a huge softy, I hate seeing characters in games or stories getting bullied or beaten/tortured or worse, I even cry most times because I feel so,bad for them, but just because those things happen that doesn't mean I drop the game or story because it's suddenly bad. That would be totally ludicrous to enjoy something for so long and then just decide because one thing I don't like happened, its suddenly trash; being soft isn't a childish mindset but deciding to believe something you enjoyed until the creator did something you didn't agree with is now garbage? THAT is a childish mindset. Take these things with a grain of salt as I said before, it's not as if the whole comic is going to be dark and bloody from here on. I mean it might be the direction it's headed plot wise, but I don't think that will be for a long time.

Reply cccviper653, October 1st, 2018, 4:15 pm

@Guardian_of_Stars: They were angry at the Magikarp so they said harsh things to it even though they knew Magikarps are pretty much all bone anyway.

I know things can't go every way I want them too. It still pisses me off when it happens though. There is such a thing as a retcon you know. Content creators make mistakes sometimes no matter how good they are. Haychel is one of my favorite artists (lots of good OwO stuff, heh) but it's kind of an important responsibility to keep a community happy. I know, it sucks to work so hard on something and then have to go back on it because of a negative reception.

Also, I didn't say I suddenly don't like this comic or that it's trash. Though that has happened at some points where I've liked something for a long time but then abandoned it because it did something bad. It's not ludicrous at all.

Here's why this page can't be taken with a grain of salt. Pokemon are sentient. They can be talked to. They can love, dream, etc. What this "feral" does is open the possibility of any number of Pokemon to be food sources or living crappy uncivilized lives. If I see that, for example, the Eeveelution line is feral, THEN, I'm going to really explode.

Obviously the whole comic isn't going to be so dark from now on though, otherwise everyone would get tired of it realllll quick. So that's kinda pointless to mention.

I still love the comic and creator. I want to see Leon and Vagus unlock the secret of the book and finally get that big bully evil ghost off their backs so they can live fluffily ever after. Yaoi! I was even gonna start donating muns once I was able to.

Reply Guardian_of_Stars, October 1st, 2018, 4:41 pm

@cccviper653: That couldn't work either though because animals are also sentient beings, as little as most people care to notice, but we still eat them. These feral pokemon are likely just like animals are to us, they have feelings and emotions, but they don't match our intelligence level so its ok to eat them. How that works with pokemon I have no idea but that's what the case seems to be. While I agree it was unnecessary to show WHAT they eat being dragged in like that, its also just a way of culture probably.

Reply cccviper653, October 1st, 2018, 4:51 pm

@Guardian_of_Stars: There are only a handful sentient species irl. Everything else pretty runs on pure instinct 24/7 like a machine's programming with no individual thought. Anyways...

Screw their culture. I'll just hate them for not bringing back baskets of berries instead.

Reply Guardian_of_Stars, October 1st, 2018, 5:01 pm

@cccviper653: scientifically proven species yes, but I won't get into that. Although hate is a strong word for simply disagreeing with what they do. I'm sure pokemon can't eat berries all the time, given most berries are used as a type of medicine for status conditions, perhaps over indulging in certain berries can make them ill or null out the berry's effects. Maybe they had a good reason for making their characters have to hunt other pokemon for food, we'll only know in the future or if the creator chooses to answer us on that subject. Its likely a necessity to them either way no matter what the case is though, I don't believe the creators decided to go "hey its been too peaceful lately, lets throw in a bloody dead pokemon for dramatic effects". Although if there is a reason why pokemon have to eat other pokemon, if we go with your line of thought here... They should at least try to clarify somewhere why that has to be rather than just throw it in there and a lot of people get upset over it.

Reply cccviper653, October 1st, 2018, 5:21 pm

@Guardian_of_Stars: Yeah! *hug*

Btw, you're a friend now :p It feels like the world has no room for us softies so we gotta stick together.

Reply Shinjikon2, September 30th, 2018, 10:48 am

At first I thought it was cannibalism, but I realized that it was the food chain, for example, there are fish that eat other fish (the first thing that occurred to me XD) you also have to think that to survive in the past you had to kill other species, because, pokemon, is like saying animal, but it has subspecies (like the pokemon that we know), and in real life the subspecies of serious animals, cows, lions, dogs, humans, etc...

Reply IcyLucario, September 30th, 2018, 1:48 pm

1) In the main series, Pokémon eat Pokémon.
2) Not of the same species.
This series has ferals, which I'd assume is an explanation to dungeon Pokémon in the games.
3) This is likely a feral --which I'd assume are the closest thing to animals--, which Leon's statement supports. Or at least something unnatural.

Conclusion: Calm yo self.


More important topics: Look at that cute little Caterpie making himself useful with stingshot. You go, little dude!

Reply Shinjikon2, September 30th, 2018, 4:49 pm

Hahaha the last is the most important!!

Reply gamerblackjacket, September 30th, 2018, 11:17 pm

so they don't eat fruit like in the anime?

Reply Legosamurai732 (Guest), October 1st, 2018, 5:22 am

I bet they just eat cattle pokemon. Like we eat pigs and cows.

Reply ChazyTheGoodra, October 2nd, 2018, 1:03 am

is that a-? wait a sec, is that a animal from the human world? wait a sec? so can animals? come from the human world?

Reply CanisArcani, October 2nd, 2018, 4:23 pm

@ChazyTheGoodra: its a boufalant. Not a buffalo.its a pokemon, so no.

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